Legislature(1999 - 2000)

04/15/1999 05:08 PM House WTR

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       HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON WORLD TRADE                                                                                   
            AND STATE/FEDERAL RELATIONS                                                                                         
                   April 15, 1999                                                                                               
                     5:08 p.m.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ramona Barnes, Chair                                                                                             
Representative Beverly Masek                                                                                                    
Representative Gail Phillips                                                                                                    
Representative Ethan Berkowitz                                                                                                  
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative John Cowdery, Vice Chair                                                                                         
Representative Joe Green                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
OTHER HOUSE MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Scott Ogan                                                                                                       
Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                    
Representative John Harris                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
OVERSIGHT HEARING:  PROPOSED PURCHASE OF ARCO, Inc. by BP-AMOCO                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
(* First public hearing)                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
See the House Special Committee on World Trade & State/Federal                                                                  
Relations minutes dated 4/13/99.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
WALTER HICKEL, Ex-Governor of the State of Alaska                                                                               
No address or telephone provided.                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on the proposed merger.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHARLIE COLE, Former Attorney General of the State of Alaska                                                                    
406 Cushman Street                                                                                                              
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701                                                                                                         
Telephone:  (907) 452-1124                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on the proposed merger.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
JIM PLAQUEK                                                                                                                     
Fairbanks Operating Engineers, Local 302                                                                                        
1444 2nd Avenue                                                                                                                 
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701                                                                                                         
Telephone:  (907) 456-4423                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported the merger.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JERRY McCUTCHEON                                                                                                                
PO Box 241623                                                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska 99524                                                                                                         
Telephone:  (907) 277-3076                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Stated that Alaska should buy ARCO.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
KAREN COWART, General Manager                                                                                                   
Alaska Support Industry Alliance                                                                                                
4220 B Street, Number 200                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska 99504                                                                                                         
Telephone:  (907) 563-2276                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Viewed the merger as a business decision                                                                   
responding to a changing global environment.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD FINEBERG                                                                                                                
PO Box 416                                                                                                                      
Ester, Alaska 99725                                                                                                             
Telephone:  (907) 479-7778                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Discussed how the state could acquire and                                                                  
manage the pipeline.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
RANDY RUEDRICH, Arctic E&P Advisors                                                                                             
1210 E 16th Avenue, Number 21                                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska 99501                                                                                                         
Telephone:  (907) 277-3031                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Discussed the merger and the oil and gas                                                                   
industry in general.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
KEITH HAND, CFO                                                                                                                 
Fairbanks Natural Gas                                                                                                           
3408 International Way                                                                                                          
Fairbanks, Alaska 99701                                                                                                         
Telephone:  (907) 452-7111                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on behalf of Ray Latchem,                                                                        
President of Fairbanks Natural Gas.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 99-11, SIDE A                                                                                                              
Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMONA BARNES called the House Special Committee on World                                                                 
Trade and State/Federal Relations meeting to order at 5:08 p.m.                                                                 
Members present at the call to order were Representatives Barnes,                                                               
Masek and Phillips.  Representatives Joule and Berkowitz arrived at                                                             
5:10 p.m. and 6:04 p.m. respectively.  Representatives Ogan,                                                                    
Cissna, and Harris  were also present.  Representatives Cowdery and                                                             
Green were not present.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[Tape begins mid-speech]                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0128                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
WALTER HICKEL, Ex-Governor of the State of Alaska, said, "... had                                                               
to happen, but we both feel that this issue may be so big that you                                                              
might have to call a special session to deal with this topic."  He                                                              
noted that the merger must be approved by the federal government.                                                               
He indicated that the first responsibility is to ensure that the                                                                
lands of Alaska that Alaska decided to produce are produced.  There                                                             
are two ways to profit from North Slope production; first is                                                                    
produce it and sell it, second is to transport it.  If one is both                                                              
a producer and a transporter, he/she may have an advantage over                                                                 
someone else who just wants to produce.  That point should be                                                                   
reviewed and there should be assurances that the new people on the                                                              
North Slope can be competitive.  He compared the merger to the                                                                  
Safeway and Carr's buy out during which, "They finally said you had                                                             
to sell some of the stores so it could remain competitive, and                                                                  
that's one of the big things."  He mentioned the North Slope                                                                    
natural gas and his dealings with BP officials who have indicated                                                               
that they do not believe that Alaska's O&G would be competitive,                                                                
maybe for the next 20 years, against reserves that BP has in China,                                                             
the Northwest Shelf Australia, Indonesia and other places.                                                                      
Perhaps, those claims are correct.  Mr. Hickel indicated the need                                                               
to review those claims and suggested that an independent effort to                                                              
market and transport this gas may possibly happen.  Representative                                                              
Whitaker's proposal is probably worth review.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HICKEL discussed a ruling that occurred during the                                                                          
constitutional convention before statehood from Alaska's then                                                                   
delegate to Congress, U.S. Senator Bartlett.  Senator Bartlett knew                                                             
Alaska was going to become an owner-state and he warned the                                                                     
convention that Alaska may face two types of exploitation.  One                                                                 
type of exploitation would be taking everything and leaving                                                                     
nothing, and another, worse, type of exploitation would be                                                                      
promising to take and not taking.  This warning is applicable to                                                                
gas in that Alaska must ensure that production does not occur                                                                   
simply because producers may have conflicting interests elsewhere.                                                              
He offered the services of himself, Ex-Governor Hammond, and others                                                             
such as Commonwealth North.  In conclusion, Mr. Hickel noted that                                                               
he had faxed most of the concerns to members of the legislature.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MASEK mentioned that she had read Mr. Hickel's                                                                   
April 4th article in the Anchorage Daily News.  She commented that                                                              
she would like to see his continued involvement in this issue.  Any                                                             
plan proposed has to be one that Alaskans can support.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0762                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHARLIE COLE, Former Attorney General for the State of Alaska,                                                                  
testified via teleconference from Fairbanks.  He said that the BP                                                               
ARCO merger is a "cataclysmic event" for Alaska which will have                                                                 
consequences far into the future.  Therefore, the legislature                                                                   
should fully investigate the consequences of this merger, spending                                                              
whatever time and funds necessary to investigate and evaluate all                                                               
of those consequences.  In this situation, Mr. Cole believed that                                                               
the legislature may have greater weapons than the executive branch.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS inquired as to what Mr. Cole would view as                                                              
the key components to be concerned about and working on.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. COLE said that he would investigate what affect this merger                                                                 
would have on "chilling the opportunity of other oil companies to                                                               
expend funds to explore, to investigate, to acquire leases,                                                                     
properties on the North Slope."  Perhaps, it may be necessary to                                                                
inquire of the thoughts of other oil companies and other experts in                                                             
the field.  He noted that the merger, as he has been told, could                                                                
result in BP holding 70 percent interest in the Trans-Alaska Oil                                                                
Line which would mean that BP would control Alyeska.  He reiterated                                                             
the need to review the consequences.  When a good sense of the                                                                  
potential consequences is acquired, then decisions could be made as                                                             
to what the legislature and the executive branch can do to                                                                      
alleviate the perceived adverse consequences of this merger.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1054                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JIM PLAQUEK, Fairbanks Operating Engineers, Local 302, testified                                                                
via teleconference from Fairbanks.  "The merger between BP, Amoco,                                                              
and ARCO, we feel will be good for the State of Alaska and for                                                                  
organized labor in the State of Alaska."  He noted that organized                                                               
labor has had many Prudhoe Bay projects with BP, including the 200                                                              
plus workers from Fairbanks who constructed the 28-mile ice road                                                                
pipeline from Endicott to Bodami last year.  He informed the                                                                    
committee that this winter 50 workers from Fairbanks spent the                                                                  
entire winter building the ice road to the North Star Island only                                                               
to have U.S. Fish and Wildlife deny the permit to construct the                                                                 
gravel island.  That resulted in the loss of work for 120 workers                                                               
which amounted to a loss of $10,000 per worker in lost wages.  Mr.                                                              
Plaquek pointed out that oil industry jobs have provided needed                                                                 
employment for Fairbanks workers to support their families which in                                                             
turn, through tax dollars, sustain local businesses, schools,                                                                   
hospitals, and other essential community services.  Many Fairbanks                                                              
families have enjoyed the benefits provided by the oil industry                                                                 
over the years.  He said, "BP-Amoco has committed to invest $5                                                                  
billion in North Slope development over the next five years.                                                                    
Economically, Alaska and its residents need this continued                                                                      
investment from the oil industry.  BP-Amoco has committed to use                                                                
Alaskan contractors and suppliers and build modules in Alaska.  And                                                             
most important to hire Alaskans first on their pipeline projects."                                                              
Alaskan workers appreciate and applaud BP-Amoco's commitments                                                                   
because it means jobs to support our families.  He indicated that                                                               
this merger will result in BP-Amoco having the expertise and                                                                    
financial resources to ensure a long and successful future for                                                                  
Alaskan oil industry workers.  In conclusion, Mr. Plaquek thanked                                                               
BP-Amoco for being such a good corporate citizen  and for hiring                                                                
Alaskan workers whom he indicated would continue to foster good                                                                 
relations with BP-Amoco.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BARNES clarified that the Alaska House of Representatives                                                                 
working with the Department of Natural Resources secured the                                                                    
commitment that Alaska contractors and workers would be used on                                                                 
these North Slope projects that Mr. Plaquek identified.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HARRIS asked if Mr. Plaquek has had any assurances,                                                              
especially from organized labor, that after the merger there would                                                              
continue to be such jobs.  He noted that in the past ARCO and BP                                                                
have worked against each other and, at times, with each other.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLAQUEK stated that BP-Amoco has made a commitment to hire                                                                  
Alaskans first.  "It only makes sense and they understand when they                                                             
hire organized laborers, they're hiring Alaskans, so that's their                                                               
commitment to us, to hire Alaskans first."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1295                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE asked if Local 302 has been able to consider                                                               
anything else other than jobs.  Representative Joule said that he                                                               
was looking at the longer term, beyond the $5 billion over five                                                                 
years, that this takeover may result in other companies feeling                                                                 
that they might not be able to participate in Alaska's development.                                                             
If that participation does not occur, then there are potential jobs                                                             
that are also gone.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLAQUEK asked if Representative Joule was referring to other                                                                
oil companies coming into the state.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE replied, partially.  He understood Mr.                                                                     
Plaquek's testimony to be in favor of the merger because of the                                                                 
jobs that this proposed merger would provide through capital                                                                    
investments.  He asked if Mr. Plaquek had looked at anything else                                                               
in this merger other than jobs.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLAQUEK clarified that he represents workers, for which jobs                                                                
are the top priority.  He stated that he was looking at jobs and                                                                
the investment in the state.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE commented that he would hope that it would                                                                 
mean jobs for Alaskans regardless of location.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGAN informed everyone that he has received some                                                                 
letters from various people who assert that a week-on-week-off                                                                  
schedule is more conducive to Alaskan residents whereas there tend                                                              
to be more non-resident Alaskans working when there is a                                                                        
two-weeks-on-two-weeks-off schedule.  He asked if Mr. Plaquek would                                                             
concur with that assessment.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLAQUEK said that he was not familiar with those schedules, but                                                             
noted that work on the Trans-Alaska Pipeline at Prudhoe Bay is on                                                               
a four and two week schedule.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGAN commented that was "probably the non-union                                                                  
folks up there."  However, that should be reviewed.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BARNES commented that the legislators have received much                                                                  
correspondence regarding the use of out-of-state workers,                                                                       
especially when there are fewer jobs on the slope and in the oil                                                                
industry.  She reiterated Representative Ogan's comments regarding                                                              
the correspondence that says a two-and-two week schedule is more                                                                
conducive for out-of-state workers, allowing them to be able to fly                                                             
out of state while Alaskans go without jobs.  Chair Barnes asked                                                                
when Mr. Plaquek had the conversations with BP-Amoco regarding the                                                              
$5 billion enhancement.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLAQUEK specified, "That's your commitment that I've read                                                                   
several places."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BARNES asked if Mr. Plaquek meant he had read that in the                                                                 
newspaper.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLAQUEK answered that was correct.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BARNES surmised then that Mr. Plaquek had no one-on-one                                                                   
conversations with BP-Amoco.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLAQUEK replied, no.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1550                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JERRY McCUTCHEON, testifying via teleconference from Anchorage,                                                                 
informed the committee that he has fought the gas line for almost                                                               
25 years.  Mr. McCutcheon believed the BP ARCO merger will result                                                               
in a "colossal screwing of Alaskans."  He said, "The shotgun                                                                    
wedding of Amoco and BP moved BP up into a class with Roy Dutch                                                                 
Shell and Exxon."  Shell and Exxon have lost interest in and have                                                               
withdrawn from Alaska because Alaska has matured and no longer fits                                                             
the corporate resources and political power of Exxon and Shell.                                                                 
Minimal Exxon personnel are maintained in Alaska in order to keep                                                               
ARCO honest in overseeing ARCO's production of the Exxon/ARCO                                                                   
leases.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. McCUTCHEON stated that Alaska has been BP's cash cow which has                                                              
allowed BP to envelope Amoco and others and now ARCO.  ARCO is a                                                                
company which fits Alaska and a company which needs Alaska's oil                                                                
for ARCO's West Coast refineries for the present and the future.                                                                
ARCO used Alaska as a cash cow, but ARCO got into trouble on the                                                                
world stage and lost it's ability to handle small prospects.  He                                                                
commented that ARCO has learned its lessons and would have survived                                                             
nicely had the prolonged depression of the oil price not been more                                                              
than it apparently wanted to withstand.  "The State of Alaska                                                                   
should buy ARCO.  ARCO is almost a perfect fit with Alaska's need                                                               
for an oil company large enough to undertake Alaska's projects and                                                              
small enough to pursue Alaska's smaller prospects, but not its                                                                  
smallest projects."  Mr. McCutcheon said the ARCO sale is not a                                                                 
done deal.  He suggested that Alaska would not have to manage ARCO                                                              
like the Alaska Railroad or the Alaska Ferry System.  The state                                                                 
could function as a shareholder, and he felt it best if Alaska did                                                              
not own all of ARCO.  Furthermore, it would be far better to own a                                                              
profitable oil company that is strapped for cash such as ARCO, than                                                             
become an owner in a gas line "whose prospects for profitability                                                                
are so bleak that the owners of the gas do not want to construct                                                                
the gas line."  He continued, "Even with the state giving up the                                                                
state's royalty gas and severance taxes; forcing the cities along                                                               
the proposed route to forego their taxes which the cities will need                                                             
to pay for the increased cost of government due to the construction                                                             
of the gas pipeline.  Cash for an ARCO acquisition has never been                                                               
cheaper."  He said that buying ARCO is a far simpler acquisition                                                                
than an unprofitable gas line.   He predicted that BP will leave                                                                
Alaska and, using a decision tree and Monte Carlo analysis, milk                                                                
Alaska for all its worth.  He likened this to the last days of the                                                              
canned salmon industry, only much worse.  Mr. McCutcheon said,                                                                  
"BP's oil pipeline screwing of Alaska cost Alaska $5 billion by                                                                 
1987 and will cost Alaska $40 billion by the year 2010.  BP, et al.                                                             
gut and run tactics almost wrecked Prudhoe Bay in the late '70s                                                                 
except for the fact they got caught, recover would have dropped to                                                              
5 billion barrels.  BP did wreck Badami.  I don't know what role BP                                                             
played in the Lisburne formation.  BP staged the construction of                                                                
the North Star modules, which they never intended to complete, to                                                               
fool the public.  It was very successful at it and it was with the                                                              
help of the press and a phony baloney lawsuit.  BP lied to Alaskans                                                             
about the producibility of Prudhoe Bay, BP told Alaskans it would                                                               
produce 9.6 billion barrels without a gas line, but told Congress                                                               
15 billion barrels without a gas line.  Public Document 95-73, page                                                             
570.  With the cooperation of the press and the legislature BP                                                                  
continues to fool, maybe not now, the only too willing public.                                                                  
That producibility has risen to 17 billion barrels by 1989, and                                                                 
with 1970's technology.  And if the current rumors are correct                                                                  
about the OOIP, producibility is now 20 billion barrels."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCUTCHEON commented that one must come in with the same kind                                                               
of expertise.  He informed the committee that in 1977 Chancy Croft                                                              
put up the money for a three-dimensional model of Prudhoe Bay.  He                                                              
said, "... -- once the state got it, never turned it on to find out                                                             
how much Prudhoe Bay would produce, never bothered to find out how                                                              
best to purchase Prudhoe Bay.  A half a million bucks right down                                                                
the drain."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1993                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
KAREN COWART, General Manager, Alaska Support Industry Alliance,                                                                
testified via teleconference from Anchorage.  She informed the                                                                  
committee that the Alliance membership includes nearly 350                                                                      
businesses which contract directly with producer companies to                                                                   
provide products and services in support of oil and gas activity.                                                               
The Alliance's mission is to advocate safe and environmentally                                                                  
sound petroleum exploration, development and production for the                                                                 
benefit of all Alaskans.  She noted that she was present at the                                                                 
request of the committee in order to provide the oil and gas                                                                    
contractor community's perspective on the BP-Amoco/ARCO merger.                                                                 
She said that she would not comment on royalties and taxes which                                                                
would best be addressed by the state.  She explained that she would                                                             
discuss the concerns of the support industry with regard to                                                                     
competitive downsizing to one major operator/producer and what that                                                             
means in terms of contracts and jobs.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. COWART stated, "The Alliance does not have an opinion on the                                                                
specifics of the merger."  The Alliance believes it is prudent to                                                               
gather facts and therefore, the Alliance applauds the Governor's                                                                
initiative to form a team to gather critical information regarding                                                              
impacts to Alaskan hire, Alaskan buy, investor competition,                                                                     
environmental protection and state revenues.  Furthermore, the                                                                  
Alliance appreciates these committee hearings which provide                                                                     
citizens an opportunity to voice their questions.  "The Alliance                                                                
does not view the proposed merger as a crisis.  We do, however,                                                                 
recognize it as a profound turning point, changing the landscape of                                                             
Alaska's oil and gas industry."  She pointed out that the notion of                                                             
one main operator on the North Slope is not new.  However, the                                                                  
biggest surprise of the merger announcement is that it would leave                                                              
the state with not only one operator, but also one main producer on                                                             
the North Slope.  She commented that the Alliance is waiting to                                                                 
hear what the merger would mean to operations in Cook Inlet since                                                               
BP does not currently have a presence in this area.  There is also                                                              
concern that the number of support industry contracts will shrink                                                               
with one major operator.  She predicted that initially, there will                                                              
be further job losses in the support sector due to the                                                                          
consolidation of administrative functions.  "Support industry                                                                   
businesses will likely respond to demand changes by streamlining                                                                
their own operations, and perhaps negotiating their own mergers and                                                             
consolidations."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. COWART said, "Competition is critical to successful leasing                                                                 
programs in the National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska, the Outer                                                                    
Continental Shelf and possibilities in ANWR."  The Alliance agrees                                                              
with the Governor; it is time to aggressively market Alaska.  She                                                               
noted that the image of instability created by Alaska's $1.2                                                                    
billion fiscal gap is a weakness for the state.  "Closing the gap                                                               
remains our top priority.  We cannot stress enough the importance                                                               
of closing the gap this year."   She acknowledged that the Alliance                                                             
has questions regarding the merger, but it believes there is room                                                               
for optimism in the long term.  "If the merger makes the resulting                                                              
company more competitive under increasingly difficult business                                                                  
conditions, as BP and ARCO say it will, then the Alliance believes                                                              
this bodes well for Alaska's future in petroleum development.                                                                   
Weakened companies simply cannot afford to operate in remote,                                                                   
expensive locations like the North Slope, especially when oil                                                                   
prices are low."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. COWART indicated that as BP-Amoco and ARCO consolidate their                                                                
operations, efficiencies will undoubtedly be realized.  Such                                                                    
savings may be spent on exploration and production activity which                                                               
would result in jobs and contracts for support industry businesses.                                                             
"We also believe that BP-Amoco will make full use of the assets it                                                              
acquires from ARCO.  A company would not sensibly spend $25 billion                                                             
to acquire facilities, land and assets and then allow them to sit                                                               
idle.  BP-Amoco's commitment to spend $5 billion on North Slope                                                                 
development over the next five years indicates that Alaska's                                                                    
potential is viewed as long-term."  She said that the Alliance is                                                               
encouraged by other commitments BP-Amoco has made, both to the                                                                  
public and in direct conversations with Alliance members.  The                                                                  
Alliance believes those commitments will eventually result in                                                                   
dollars for the state and work for the support sector.  She                                                                     
informed the committee, "BP-Amoco has said it will pursue ways to                                                               
commercialize Alaska's vast natural gas reserves.  We welcome the                                                               
pledge to continue the ARCO's natural gas sponsor group, and we're                                                              
encouraged by initial plans to fund a gas-to-liquids plant on the                                                               
North Slope.  These projects will give contractors an opportunity                                                               
to use the skills, tools and facilities that came with the advent                                                               
of module fabrication in Alaska.  Without such projects, this new                                                               
module industry may fade."  With regard to the merger's impact on                                                               
environmental protection, the Alliance is confident that the                                                                    
industry will continue to excel.  BP's worldwide corporate                                                                      
philosophy is focused on development that does not compromise                                                                   
environmental protection or employee safety.  "As contractors, we                                                               
have been witness to, and players in, upholding this commitment."                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. COWART said the oil and gas industry has proven its resiliency                                                              
by surviving lean times with ingenuity and sound decisions.  She                                                                
pointed out that both producers and support businesses have lowered                                                             
production costs through advanced technologies and the elimination                                                              
of redundant services while consolidating resources and assets to                                                               
remain competitive.  If the industry had maintained the status quo,                                                             
it would have failed.  The Alliance views the merger as a business                                                              
decision that is responding to a changing global environment.  "The                                                             
status quo will not work now to the benefit of Alaska's oil, and                                                                
gas industry, nor will 'business as usual' in state government work                                                             
to the benefit of Alaska's people."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2283                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD FINEBERG, testifying from Fairbanks, informed the committee                                                             
that he was speaking on his own behalf.  He noted that he has                                                                   
submitted a paper on behalf of the Alaska Public Interest Research                                                              
Group, Oilwatch Alaska, and the Alaska Forum for Environmental                                                                  
Responsibility.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BARNES confirmed that the committee has Mr. Fineberg's paper.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. FINEBERG recalled Commissioner Shively's testimony regarding                                                                
the history of the North Slope.  There seemed to be a persistent                                                                
pattern in the changes on the North Slope as described by                                                                       
Commissioner Shively.  Between 1991 and 1997 six major oil                                                                      
companies left ... [tape ends mid-speech]                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 99-11, SIDE B                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. FINEBERG continued "[tape begins mid-speech] ... might be using                                                             
the pipeline to drive out their competitors.  There was only one                                                                
exception to the pattern and that was a producer [indisc.] North                                                                
Slope production to a smaller company [indisc.]."  Since 1997 there                                                             
has been a trend toward consolidation.  He indicated that Alaska                                                                
has the opportunity to buy the pipeline and the paper he submitted                                                              
to the committee specifies the way the numbers would work in broad                                                              
terms.  Mr. Fineberg did not believe that virtual divestiture of                                                                
the pipeline is likely to work because that results in the status                                                               
quo which created the current situation.  He reiterated that Alaska                                                             
could acquire the pipeline as laid out in Table 4, page 15, of his                                                              
paper.  The pipeline could be acquired without an outlay of state                                                               
revenue and the pipeline could operate on a nonprofit basis which                                                               
would reduce tariffs, and thereby significantly increase state                                                                  
revenue in royalties and severance.  He suggested that some of the                                                              
pre-collected DR&R funds could be utilized to fulfill the capital                                                               
repayment, as necessary, and specific environmental tasks.  The                                                                 
lower tariffs and state management could ensure that the pipeline                                                               
does not stifle other competition.  He said the pipeline revenue                                                                
could be guaranteed for the pipeline communities without the annual                                                             
fight to preserve the property taxes in the Fairbanks, the North                                                                
Slope, and the Valdez Boroughs.  He noted that "we" could escrow                                                                
which would remove the state from the policy straight jacket  it                                                                
faces in the long run.  The pipeline would be operated on a                                                                     
nonprofit basis which would provide the lower count.  The paper                                                                 
before the committee lays out the numbers, the background, and                                                                  
history that led Mr. Fineberg to this proposal submitted on behalf                                                              
of the aforementioned organizations.  Mr. Fineberg hoped that this                                                              
proposal would receive serious consideration.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGAN inquired as to Mr. Fineberg's background.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. FINEBERG informed the committee that he is an independent                                                                   
consultant.  He noted that he was a journalist during the pipeline.                                                             
Mr. Fineberg has been in Fairbanks for probably 30 years now, in                                                                
Juneau for 12 years, in the Governor's Office for about six years,                                                              
and in Oil and Gas [indisc.] for Governor Cowper for three years.                                                               
He said that he did a number of reports to the state legislature in                                                             
the early 1990s.  He has been an independent consultants for the                                                                
government and nonprofit groups, primarily.  In 1997, Mr. Fineberg                                                              
did a report for Oilwatch Alaska which was entitled, "The Big                                                                   
Squeeze: Trans-Alaska Pipeline and the Departure from the North                                                                 
Slope of Oil Companies Who Found Oil There."  In 1996, he did a                                                                 
report for the Alaska Forum entitled "Pipeline in Peril," and in                                                                
1998, he did a report for Oilwatch Alaska "How much is Enough?",                                                                
which he believed "is the first independent analysis and broad,                                                                 
comprehensive public analysis of North Slope profitability since                                                                
one was done for the Department of Revenue in 1989 that had the                                                                 
misfortune to come out one week before the Exxon Valdez spill, and                                                              
it was quickly forgotten."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0735                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RANDY RUEDRICH, Arctic E&P Advisors, testified via teleconference                                                               
from Anchorage.  He informed the committee that he has been                                                                     
associated with the Alaskan petroleum industry for approximately 30                                                             
years.  He has worked and managed aspects of drilling, production,                                                              
transportation and research organizations in the United Sates,                                                                  
Europe, and the Middle East.  He began his testimony with regard to                                                             
operations.  He characterized the petroleum industry as ever                                                                    
changing.  "The exploration, discovery, development, depletion and                                                              
abandonment phases are required changes in a successful operation."                                                             
The classic commodity business no longer exists and low cost                                                                    
operations are mandatory in a competitive world oil market.  "The                                                               
successful commodity producer must only have one mission throughout                                                             
the life of the field, and that is to maximize production while                                                                 
minimizing cost at each step of the way."  He pointed out that                                                                  
petroleum law encourages efficient business practices in the                                                                    
formation of a unit to blend together all interests.  The unit                                                                  
operator is responsible for the design, construction, drilling and                                                              
production of the asset.  In large fields, there have been several                                                              
in Alaska, the working interest owners have agreed to have multiple                                                             
unit operators.  As the fields have matured, multiple operations or                                                             
unit operators in the early days of Cook Inlet have changed to a                                                                
single operator in a field or in an area as did Mobil, Amoco, ARCO,                                                             
Marathon and Unocal when they turned over platforms and related                                                                 
facilities to remaining operators in the Cook Inlet.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUEDRICH pointed out that Prudhoe began as a similar                                                                        
consolidation drive when the work declined.  In 1992, drilling,                                                                 
construction and aviation services were shared, but no operator                                                                 
left.  As mentioned earlier, the Alaska oil field service community                                                             
adjusted to those changes as it had to the Cook Inlet changes.                                                                  
"Shared services and related ARCO and BP operational changes                                                                    
reduced total production costs and gave us a very favorable event,                                                              
a very high level of growing capital investment from 1994 to 1998."                                                             
That resulted in a higher production rate from Prudhoe than had                                                                 
been previously anticipated which was good for the service                                                                      
community, individual Alaskans, and the state.  He said that a                                                                  
single operator for Prudhoe or shared services would historically                                                               
have followed as field production declined.  The timing would be                                                                
dependent upon the marketplace and the field decline rate.                                                                      
Therefore, the current combination of the two simply accelerates                                                                
that consolidation.  He suggested that if savings are realized                                                                  
through the reduction of operating costs, that should result in                                                                 
increased oil production.  Therefore, Mr. Ruedrich viewed this as                                                               
a positive event for Alaska and the North Slope oil fields.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0900                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUEDRICH turned to the ownership side.  He pointed out that,                                                                
realistically, everyone who owns something will attempt to maximize                                                             
their rate of return.  He believed that the elimination of ARCO's                                                               
interest may be a positive impact, "because our fields are more                                                                 
profitable to produce, BP will invest more capital, that will be a                                                              
plus to us here in Alaska."  He turned to the exploitation of                                                                   
additional reserves in existing units which produces oil quickly at                                                             
a reasonably low cost.  He stressed that this work must continue at                                                             
its current rate or at an accelerated rate, which he advocated.                                                                 
One way to close Alaska's financial gap, is to improve the                                                                      
production rate from the Arctic.  He recalled Ken Thompson's, the                                                               
previous ARCO Alaska President, comment that there were 50 or more                                                              
prospects in the existing units which is a tremendous workload for                                                              
BP to follow up on.  With regard to what the state should do, Mr.                                                               
Ruedrich advocated review of some type of exploitation well tax                                                                 
credit; a tax credit for significant increases in exploitational                                                                
wells drilled to look for reserves.  He posed a situation in which                                                              
a well cost $3 to $5 million and 25 million barrels of reserve were                                                             
added, as reported a couple weeks ago; that would be significant to                                                             
the state's tax revenue.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUEDRICH continued with discussion of the exploitation of the                                                               
new fields:  North Star, Liberty, Sourdough, and the continuing                                                                 
exploitation of Alpine.  He believed it important for the state to                                                              
simplify its permitting process.  He informed the committee that he                                                             
has participated in projects down south where the cost of the well                                                              
may be only slightly greater than the cost of permitting an                                                                     
exploratory well in Alaska.  He offered to work on this issue.                                                                  
Alaska is pricing itself out of the marketplace.  Helping operators                                                             
get permitted places more oil in the pipeline sooner, and makes                                                                 
Alaska a place that is truly friendly for capital investment.  "And                                                             
this will make our future open Alaska acreage sales more valuable                                                               
to the state."  With regard to exploration plans for new reserves,                                                              
Mr. Ruedrich commented that BP should be allowed ample time to sell                                                             
the balance of its onshore acreage as defined by state law.  "The                                                               
benefits to Alaska are very simple."  He explained that new                                                                     
exploration efforts with different concepts would be applied on                                                                 
BPA's lowest priority acreage which would be a very big plus.  He                                                               
reiterated the need for the state to provide BP with ample time to                                                              
market this large acreage so that new concepts, independent                                                                     
financial resources, and  more importantly independent dry hole                                                                 
budgets will be attracted.  Therefore, if anyone is successful, one                                                             
or more significant companies may be added to the Alaskan economy.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1157                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUEDRICH turned his discussion to gas development.  He informed                                                             
the committee that he has served on the Alaska Petroleum                                                                        
Engineering Advisory Committee for several years, and has advocated                                                             
for Alaska to become a leader in the new Gas to Liquid (GTL)                                                                    
technology.  He believed it imperative to pursue this.  A                                                                       
well-defined tax regime should be constructed and GTL production                                                                
started.  The GTL plants could be built in Anchorage or Kenai and                                                               
shipped to the Slope over a multi-year construction period.  This                                                               
would be a win-win plan for Alaska providing active Alaskan                                                                     
construction contractors and Alaskan jobs in construction and field                                                             
operations.  There would also be several tankers of white crude                                                                 
leaving Valdez each week.  All of this would be great for Alaska's                                                              
economy and the state's treasury.  He pointed out that white crude                                                              
will keep the TAPS pipeline operational for many extra years in                                                                 
order to ship billions of extra barrels of crude oil from                                                                       
discovered and undiscovered North Slope oil fields.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS referred to Mr. Ruedrich's statement                                                                    
regarding the trend of shared services and a single operator.  She                                                              
asked if he meant that scenario would have been likely in the                                                                   
foreseeable future anyway just in an attempt to bring down costs.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1255                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUEDRICH replied yes.  He noted that shared services was                                                                    
already implemented in 1992 as part of the business plan on the                                                                 
Slope.  Therefore, shared services would have continued or a                                                                    
complete integration would have occurred.  He indicated that the                                                                
merger, in one step, combines Prudhoe, Endicott, Milne Point,                                                                   
Kuparak, Badami, and Alpine, all at one time.  He acknowledged that                                                             
it probably creates a little more stress, as mentioned by Ms.                                                                   
Cowart.  However, in the long run, it provides a very stable                                                                    
operating environment for our contractors and hopefully will reduce                                                             
the cost of business enough that those in business in 2001 to 2005                                                              
will be substantially more prosperous than if we went through this                                                              
in a piece-meal process.  He reiterated that this one major step                                                                
would result in an incredibly positive event.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS inquired as to Mr. Ruedrich's                                                                           
recommendation regarding marketing the reserve leases that would be                                                             
put on the market.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUEDRICH said that BP ranks their most desirable places in                                                                  
their portfolio as well as in the acquired ARCO portfolio.  Then it                                                             
would be determined if there is a lot of acreage that does not have                                                             
anything very appealing on it, and most likely the bottom end of                                                                
that portfolio would be marketed.  He pointed out that a different                                                              
scenario could result if a couple of dry holes are drilled.  This                                                               
is a very subjective business and until one drills, nothing is                                                                  
definite.  Therefore, having more people review the acreage would                                                               
be beneficial to BP and would create incremental exploration                                                                    
drilling for Alaska on prospects that BPA might not conceptually                                                                
fantasize for a number of years.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS inquired as to Mr. Ruedrich's reaction to                                                               
the earlier statement that one ownership controlling the majority                                                               
of the properties on the Slope would keep other companies from                                                                  
becoming interested.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUEDRICH said that from the standpoint of field ownership he                                                                
did not see any impact at all.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1480                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BARNES asked Mr. Ruedrich to repeat his comment regarding the                                                             
need to work for the profitability of the companies.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUEDRICH noted that comment was in conjunction with his comment                                                             
about exportation.  He clarified that if the state, as proposed in                                                              
his handout, would consider a tax credit for incremental                                                                        
exportation wells drilled, the production rate could potentially                                                                
increase by tens of thousands of barrels a day from several of                                                                  
these fields which is a lot of oil.  He posed the scenario in which                                                             
there is a tax credit for a significant increase, such as more than                                                             
eight wells and the state may pay a portion of the ninth and tenth                                                              
wells in terms of tax credit.  If the number of discoveries could                                                               
be increased by one per year, and if those discoveries are 25,000                                                               
barrels a day, over time that would create a very significant asset                                                             
for Alaska that BP would be producing.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BARNES commented that she would not be inclined to consider                                                               
tax breaks for anybody.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUEDRICH said that he did not view this as a tax break.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1611                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
KEITH HAND, CFO, Fairbanks Natural Gas, testified via                                                                           
teleconference from Fairbanks.  He informed the committee that he                                                               
was speaking on behalf of Ray Latchem, President of Fairbanks                                                                   
Natural Gas.  He expressed concern regarding the BP-Amoco purchase                                                              
of ARCO with respect to the effect on the current and future gas                                                                
supply contracts Fairbanks Natural Gas has with ARCO, as well as                                                                
the impact this buy-out will have on the development of the North                                                               
Slope Gas.  Fairbanks Natural Gas has developed relationships with                                                              
ARCO which has led to the acquisition of a desirable gas supply                                                                 
agreement for Cook Inlet gas which is liquefied, transported, and                                                               
distributed to the residents of Fairbanks.  "Prior to this                                                                      
acquisition, BP-Amoco did not have a presence in natural gas                                                                    
development in Cook Inlet.  Therefore, it is undetermined what the                                                              
new combined company's interest in Cook Inlet gas will be and the                                                               
willingness of future Cook Inlet gas development and production."                                                               
He stressed that there is a more immediate impact regarding the                                                                 
effect this purchase may have on the current gas supply contract of                                                             
Fairbanks Natural Gas.  He realized that currently, the Interior                                                                
residents are a small consumer of the overall gas demand in the                                                                 
state.  However, the future of the Fairbanks Natural Gas project                                                                
depends on this contract.  "This contract was and remains a                                                                     
critical component of our utility permit as issued by the Alaska                                                                
Public Utilities Commission."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAND commented that the merger would also reduce the natural                                                                
gas producers by one major entity, resulting in future competition                                                              
being more weighted to the producer's side of the table.  "Less                                                                 
suppliers equates to less bargaining power for consumers, whether                                                               
it is us acting as the gas utility or when it is passed through to                                                              
our customers."  Fairbanks Natural Gas, a small entity, without the                                                             
benefit of the ARCO relationship may find it difficult to negotiate                                                             
a renewal to it's existing contract on such favorable terms,                                                                    
especially with one less supplier in the marketplace.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAND addressed the future of North Slope gas.  He pointed out                                                               
that construction of the natural gas pipeline would create a                                                                    
substantial reduction of energy bills for Fairbanks residents.  It                                                              
is estimated that current home heating prices will be reduced by                                                                
one-half of the current price.  Mr. Hand noted that ARCO, BP, and                                                               
Exxon are majority owners of the gas on the North Slope and ARCO is                                                             
one of the key members of the Alaska North Slope Gas project                                                                    
sponsor group which is researching the feasibility of a natural gas                                                             
pipeline feeding a LNG plant.  Although ARCO has been very active                                                               
in the development of a natural gas pipeline, BP has been silent                                                                
and has focused on a natural gas to liquids process which would                                                                 
utilize the existing oil pipeline.  Both companies previously                                                                   
agreed that there is enough North Slope gas for both projects,                                                                  
BP-Amoco has already announced an alternative that it is pursuing,                                                              
the GTL plant.  "Once combined, one must wonder if the BP-Amoco                                                                 
will stay committed to its statement in the papers claiming to                                                                  
continue the dedication of resources to the gas pipeline and LNG                                                                
support group it has rebuffed up to this point.  If history speaks,                                                             
BP-Amoco will probably not promote the deliver of cheap gas                                                                     
supplies to the residents of the Interior."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BARNES asked if anyone either via teleconference or in the                                                                
room wanted to testify.  There being no one, she announced that                                                                 
next Tuesday members of the support industries will be testifying.                                                              
On Friday, the president of BP, the president of ARCO, and other                                                                
oil companies of a much smaller nature will be present.  She                                                                    
indicated that Exxon has been asked to join that hearing as well.                                                               
Chair Barnes commented that there is nothing more important in                                                                  
Alaska, other than balancing our budget, than what is going on with                                                             
the North Slope which is the lifeblood of this state.  Chair Barnes                                                             
believed any amount of resources and time necessary must be devoted                                                             
to this issue in order to ensure that the interests of the state                                                                
and its people are protected.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Special Committee on World Trade & State/Federal Relations meeting                                                              
was adjourned at 5:00 p.m.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                

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